Quick clarification, when I say we don't have any specific plans to implement a change I'm not lying. Nothing on this scale would be in the cards for the summer expansion, we're not going to start changing things on this scale without giving them the discussion and feedback time they deserve

I actually like the change.

No more risk adverse people easily rolling holes

I think it's not an awful idea just too extreme in its current implementation. I feel like CCP is simply trying to make ships more vulnerable around wormholes rather than always having the freedom of jumping to the other side. Putting caps 40km away however is complete suicide when dropping them outside jump range at say 5 - 10km serves the same purpose without making it completely unrealistic to use them.

because it is broken...

appropriately, and just like everyone else. i mean, the only reason for using an orca to roll is the mass... it's certainly not the combat ability. to balance that shortcut of pushing a lot of mass through at one time, you end up in more danger. isn't that balance?

appropriately, and just like everyone else.

let's be honest about the shortcut this affects. carrier + orca spawning further out is as appropriate as they are an easy button. i mean, what is the one situation you jumped a dread through a wormhole with the intention of jumping straight back (which is what this change affects).

sorry about the short reply. I realized I should explain myself and added to it.

I have never seen half the people in this thread bitching about how this is so game breaking ever come to Wh forums to come to discuss any WH mechanics or ideas until their perfect little world of insta rolling away issues is threatened.

People don't complain when they think things are stale and boring either, they just leave to do other things in the game or leave the game all together. Look at current login player numbers over a week period, look at the breakup of so many groups and their major consolidation of WH groups into only a few players and tell me you think everyone is happy with the current form of WH's.

Do you really think the way WH's are at the moment are in anyway interesting and fun? (trying not to answer a question with a question but..)

If by your own arguments it will stop rage rolling in its tracks then won't people by that same argument be more inclined to run sites if they feel safer that less people are rolling? Won't they then leave their chain open for you to find them? Or bubble it up now for "safety"?

You guys need to accept this is happening and you are probably too late to stop it and instead start working on ideas and iterations on how you think they could make it better TBH.

if a wormhole corp's numbers are low, there's going to be more to farm in the wormhole. this imaginary group of players who can't scout themselves while closing holes... are they patient enough to last in EVE anyway?

lol. yeah and we also know groups like yours poach players who are PVP capable, so who's more guilty of stripping that capability from small wormhole groups.

So what? i draw the line at 6 holes deep who are empty before i stop , get someone else to roll the hole or do something else or try to roll the hole myself.
We have lots of scanners who go way beyond that.
But let me ask you , where did you find pvp in that chain?
And would the change discussed here improve that?

Well - please forgive me a bit of criticism - so wormhole under POS? just outside grid of it? - I do not think it would be the best idea.




This would only help to rageroll.... No help with pvp part - you know capitals and support shattered across grid around hole

UPDATE:
Forgot to mention surprise feeling of that conventional rolling crew which will encounter someone with that ship ^^

I still want new content though! A wormhole generator or a ship that can gradually reduce the mass of a wormhole without jumping would counteract this change in a small way...

Nobody have already given a good reason to do that tweak.

SNIP

If you drive farmers out, and making things unpleasant will do this, then there is No one to shoot.
Some great fights happen with people others might label as farmers, true farmers left long ago or get evicted. If one Makes things impossible for those who are willing to fight as well as PvE and you have a desert.

When one describes a core wormhole mechanic as an exploit, then nothing said will influence your thinking. Pity.

But I will try, this is not referring to making running sites impossible, it is about making functional wormhole life impossible.

... let people crit the hole and farm in peace.

Whats wrong with that?

Sorry, disagree with you completely, by your definition all of wormhole space is an exploit if you see that as underhand . is that what you are trying to say?

Making life as unpleasant as possible, introducing a deliberate new mechanics to do so, (over and above the "accidental " ones that occur ) and disregarding the occupants of wormhole space, are not good decisions either from a respect viewpoint, a practical viewpoint, or a commercial one.


I do not have or choose a role as an educator here. If you are unaware of the current functionality of wormhole life, they can be a very enjoyable lifestyle, I encourage you to try it for a few months, and then you will understand it is a complex fragile ecosystem, where changing the core physics has massive effects.

Try changing the freezing point of water by 2 degrees in the real world and see life expire.

Seriously ?

Ok, maybe CCP will read this, at least i am sure WH CSM is reading this.

Collapsing wh allow me to :

- Close our system if we want to farm or mine ore.
- Close a connexion we don't want if we can. If there is too many hostiles on that hole you cannot close it.
- Reroll the static to get a different content. Looking for, pve, pvp, HS or NS exit.
- Reroll the static because it is end of life and we don't know how many time is remaining.



Something between C1 and C6.



A small number because i am in a small corp.

These 3 things are what made/makes wh space what it is. Decloaking out of jump range takes away 1 of the 3 pillars of wh PVP - the ability to control wh mass. This change will take away that control. Some will argue it just adds risk to wh control.

Explain to me how this change (the 40km thing) will make anything better. Please use only facts and stear clear of speculation and extrapolated BS.

The version of the code that is on SISI is absolutely not the final version, and is not running final numbers (the ranges we are working with internally are quite a bit closer than what is on this build of SISI).

So it's a bad change because you have nothing (NOTHING) good to factually say about it. All your prior posts have suddenly become empty and without meaning.

(yeah I have a shocked an amazed gasp on my fice right now)

Just for the lulz, 8 jumps with a mega and a pod on Singularity. Dunno if this is old or new jump range numbers.

8 Plate Mega + MWD
High: 9.4km
Low: 8.0km
Average: 8.8km

Pod
High: 6.2km
Low: 3.6km
Average: 5.1km

Really just stopping you from auto jumping back at that distance. Anyone bored enough to go jump a carrier through some WH's a few times and do the same?

So I read it most though the thread. In the end I do agree with a change but I do not agree with current implementation. What I think is that CCP and CSM should get more varied feedback in the form of talking to wspace community. It would be great to get game designers and some major wspace movers on same comms and just to see what happens.

My personal opinion is that this change is neither good or bad. It is more of a shakeup of wspace.

TLDR: Wspace talk to the devs, try to channel your opinions through the sources you got avialible.

You two crack me up. One game breaker is ok (cuz it doesn't hurt us big guys) but oh no no no this polarization thing hurts my game... this must stop.... now. Looks like 5hit just got real - hahahahaha

Sadly I'll even take hypocrits on my side for this one. Welcome aboard.